All her life she was accompanied by fame: when she was a model, when she became the star of the popular TV series Santa Barbara, and after that — the wife of the scandalous actor Sean Penn … Journalists forgot about her when she left her career for the sake of her family and refused many high-profile roles. But the best comes to those who know how to wait. Having played the role of the first lady of the United States in the series «House of Cards», she again found herself in the spotlight. Meeting with Robin Wright — an actress and director, who only after the divorce began to recognize herself.
It seems that she left her regal slowness and ballet in the frame of «House of Cards». I can almost see her dropping her stilettos as she steps out from under the spotlights… The woman in front of me ruffles her hair under the air conditioner, pulls back the collar of her white T-shirt, adjusts the belt of her jeans — like an ordinary New Yorker walking into a cool cafe with a warmed-up scorching street sun. She set me up with a date in old Brooklyn Heights, and I can see why.
The local inhabitants, the owners of «old white money», will never give a sign that they met a celebrity … Here Robin Wright is not threatened by the consequences of her new fame, which made her 50 years old: she will not have to give autographs, shy away from prying eyes … She can be like that , which she likes: friendly and reserved. Pacified. That in itself raises questions.
Sikoloji: I think about your life and come to the conclusion: you are only outwardly harmonious, unflappable, tolerant in all respects. But in fact you are a revolutionary, a subversive of the foundations. You are taking decisive action. Quitting a job to raise kids is a wild decision for a movie star, especially after hits like The Princess Bride and Forrest Gump. And your divorce after twenty years of marriage! It was like a series of boxing matches — now a hug, then a knockdown, then participants in the corners of the ring. And your union with a colleague 15 years younger … Now you are back in the spotlight — in connection with the struggle for equal pay for women in the film industry and a new profession — directing. How do you manage to combine softness with uncompromisingness?
Robin Wright: Mwen pa janm panse de tèt mwen nan kategori sa yo... Ke mwen se yon wrèstle... Wi, ou gen rezon sou yon bagay. Mwen te toujou plis oswa mwens te oblije kontredi kou bagay yo. Non... Okontrè: pi fò nan lavi mwen mwen jis... graze! Mwen te swiv evènman yo, yo te goumen m '. Mwen te oblije reziste. Mwen reyèlman pa t 'vle jwe Claire Underwood nan House of Cards! Epi se pa sèlman paske prejije anti-televizyon an te di m ou te pase ase nan lavi w nan Santa Barbara pou w retounen sou ti ekran ki rechiya sa a. Pa sèlman.
And also because she is a typical CEO with all this Machiavellianism of big business: you are inefficient, you are late, you are indecisive — you are fired. I couldn’t even fire my housekeeper. Everything in me yearns for peace and reconciliation. Or self-destruction. But indeed, the circumstances were such that I had to leave my pasture. However, mind you, not for the sake of a race with prizes and hype. And for the sake of plow.
And what does it look like when you «graze»?
R. R.: Avèk yon seri sikonstans favorab, mwen ale nan pijama mwen tout jounen an.
Epi se tout?
R. R.: Everyone thinks I’m serious — I’m joking, but you don’t recognize it. But there is some truth here: I love pajamas, they are the most natural clothes for me. So designer Karen Fowler and I developed our line of pajamas to sell to victims of violence in the Congo, and I became the face of the brand. It was a sincere idea.
Pitit fi mwen an te fèt lè m te gen 24 an. Kounye a mwen konnen li twò bonè, twò bonè. Devlopman mwen sanble te sispann
Ede yon moun atravè yon bagay ou renmen vrèman se aksyon pi bon kalite. Men, si san pijama, Lè sa a, ... kounye a mwen panse ke ale ak koule a se yon okipasyon olye tris. Koulye a, mwen panse: mwen te yon adolesan mat poukont mwen nan lekòl la, paske mwen pa t 'fè efò pou pwouve tèt mwen nan okenn fason.
Èske ou tris ak poukont ou? Pami adolesan, ki lè aparans yo gen anpil valè?
R. R.: I suffered from dyslexia, I had difficulty studying, I did not have fighting qualities, I was not eager to be a cheerleader. All this does not contribute to the acceptance of you in hierarchical communities, which is the school. Then I got hooked on the fashion industry — through my mother’s efforts, of course. She was one of the pioneers of selling Mary Kay cosmetics and a communication genius, because the entire strategy of this company is based on sales “from hand to hand”. My mom is a fighter!
Paran m te separe lè m te gen dezan. Mwen sonje jan papa te kriye lè manman m te mete m ak frè m nan machin nan. Mwen te kriye, mwen te wete nou... Apre 13 ane, nan yon konvèsasyon ak manman m ', mwen sonje epizòd sa a, epi li te sezi anpil. Li pa sonje dlo nan je epi jeneralman sonje tout bagay yon fason diferan: kòm yon liberasyon desizif, yon depa soti nan tan lontan an. Li sonje ke nou te di orevwa epi li te ale. Pa konnen. Petèt konsyans timoun sa a te atribiye dlo nan je papa m, dlo nan je m se aktyèlman...
I understand a person better when I find his «prototype» in the animal world. And for each role I find a «key» in the form of an animal
Ak manman m 'se aktif ak desizif epi li pa chanje pou anpeche emosyon. Li se etonan janti ak ouvè, li te toujou. Men, li pa kite tèt li ralanti. Men malgre sis ane apre paran mwen te reyini, e mwen te toujou pale ak papa, sa te rete nan mwen: mwen pa ka fè anyen, papa m kanpe bò wout la, epi mwen prale nan machin manman m... Petèt se poutèt sa pou anpil ane mwen te aprann ton konsilyasyon sa a nan lavi? Pa konnen.
Men, ou te vin yon modèl, e sa a se yon jaden trè konpetitif ...
R. R.: It’s true. But first, I found myself in some kind of artificial enclosure: at the age of 14, I received a contract in Japan. Mom took me there. My older brother Richard was supposed to take care of me — he started his career as a photographer there. But he was not up to me, I was left to myself. And I learned so much about life — completely different from ours! Spent hours at the zoo. Since then I have had this habit — I understand a person better (or it seems to me that I understand) when I find his «prototype» in the animal world. And for each role, I find a “key” in the form of an animal.
Wòl ou pi renmen an se nan She's So Beautiful nan Nick Cassavetes. Maureen ki kalite bèt?
R. R.: Meerkat. She only looks like a cat, with her smoothness and softness — back against your leg. But she is interested in a warm mink and warm sun. It’s not her fault, she just can’t live without warmth. But she keeps pulling her head to see what’s on the horizon. True, its horizon is quite close.
Ak Claire Underwood?
R. R.: I thought for a long time… Bald eagle. Royal and statuary. He hovers over small creatures. They are his prey. But he has wings, powerful wings. He is above all — both small creatures and larger predators.
Ki jan ou te ale ak koule a?
R. R.: Then there was a contract in Paris. A whole year in Europe for someone who grew up in glossy but provincial San Diego is a revolution. The world opened up before me. I have many questions for myself. I began to evaluate myself as a person, and not as a function — am I good in the pictures, am I disciplined enough for the “big podium” and is my chest really as small as one famous photographer shouted to the make-up artist at the shooting: “Yes, do something if they slipped me a flat-chested model!”
I began to analyze myself and was dissatisfied with myself. But I had no idea that this dissatisfaction leads to much more selfishness than self-satisfaction. Then «Santa Barbara» — life on schedule, in constant tension. And then — love, family, children. My first marriage to a Santa Barbara colleague was a comrade-in-arms marriage: a big party, and it ended quickly.
Men, ak Sean, tout bagay te okòmansman grav. Apre sa, mwen te panse li te pou tout tan. Wi, sa te rive: 20 ane relasyon se yon sinonim pou "toujou" pou mwen. Dylan te fèt lè mwen te 24. Kounye a mwen konnen li byen bonè, trè bonè, initilman bonè. Devlopman mwen sanble te sispann.
Men, ki jan yon nouvo relasyon, matènite, ta ka sispann devlopman? Li jeneralman aksepte ke sa yo se katalis pou grandi!
R. R.: Men, mwen pa t 'konnen tèt mwen! Ak pou pwochen deseni ak yon mwatye, mwen te elve timoun, mwen pa te konplètman tèt mwen, mwen te yon manman. Pifò nan lavi granmoun mwen! Mwen fèk kòmanse dekouvri kiyès mwen ye.
Men, pou dedomajman pou timoun yo, ou te chanje lavi dramatikman. Èske desizyon pa yon siy yon moun ki gen matirite?
R. R.: That’s when circumstances began to seriously fight me. Well imagine: I refuse roles during the school year, but agree to act in film during the holidays. And there: «Well, go to the zoo again, and in the evening we will go together to eat ice cream.» That is: dear children, once again please leave my life, and then you can return. Do you understand? The profession separated me from the children. I had to put up a barrier.
Èske timoun ki te grandi anba sipèvizyon konstan kounye a satisfè ak manman yo?
R. R.: I have made a personal discovery as a mother that the only way to get children to listen to you is to give them as much independence as possible. And I made this discovery just in time — just before the entry of Dylan and Hopper (they are a year and a half apart) into delicate adolescence. Dylan is a very independent person, at the age of 16 she began to make mature professional decisions and became a model not out of inertia, but meaningfully — to see the world not through the eyes of a daughter of rich parents, but through the eyes of an active participant.
Premye maryaj mwen ak yon kòlèg Santa Barbara se te yon maryaj kamarad nan zam: yon fèt solid, epi li te fini byen vit.
Men, Hopper te tounen yon nèg ki gen anpil risk. A laj de 14 an, li te eseye fè yon Trick sou yon skateboard tèlman difisil ke li prèske mouri. Senyen entrakranyen ak tout bagay. Sean te surestime tout lavi l pandan operasyon an t ap pase. Mwen jis prèske mouri. Pa gen anyen, nou te siviv... Yon efè segondè nan endepandans timoun yo. Men, li vo li.
What about divorce? Was it a sign of growing up — after 20 years of marriage?
R. R.: Not at all, I wouldn’t interpret it that way. On the contrary, I tried my best to maintain the status quo. We reconciled, united, then parted again. And so for three years. I was afraid to change my life, because … It was clear — in a new life, after Sean, a new me would have to appear.
Epi li te parèt?
R. R.: She appeared when I realized myself. One day I woke up and realized that there was nothing to worry about. I did something in my life, experienced something, and kept worrying whether I was good, what I was like as an actress, as a mother, as a wife. And it was stupid to worry — you just had to live. I realized that there was nothing to worry about, not because the children became adults, and my marriage ended — after all, marriage is a beautiful fortress, but how long can one live behind the fortifications! No, I realized that there is no need to worry, because the experience of what has already been experienced says: live, you can just live.
Lè sa a, yon nonm nouvo parèt. Ou pa t jennen pa diferans laj 15 an?
R. R.: Natirèlman, li pa t 'deranje m'. Ki sa ki enpòtan lè ou finalman viv lavi a plen, li otan ke ou pa janm li anvan, epi santi w anpil epi ri! Lanfè, Ben Foster te premye moun ki te mande m 'soti!
Wi?
R. R.: I mean, no one has ever asked me out on a date before. I’ve been married all my life! And before that, no one had asked me out on a date. Moreover, the date was wonderful — it was poetry reading. In every way a new experience.
E poutan ou kraze...
R. R.: Mwen travay pou yon pwojè ki travay pou pwoteje fanm kont vyolans e mwen pase anpil tan ann Afrik. Se la mwen te aprann fason Afriken yo gade bagay yo: chak jou kap vini se yon nouvo. Epi li te deja kòmanse: kòm yon direktè, mwen te fè plizyè epizòd nan House of Cards e mwen planifye vin yon direktè nèt. Gade, nou pa konnen sa ki pral rive nan senk minit kap vini yo, donk poukisa soufri sou sa ki deja rive a? Demen pral yon nouvo jou.